Fisher getting cooked by ESPN writer Sal Paolantonio

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by Riverman, May 30, 2008.

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  1. Deuce Wayne

    Deuce Wayne NOW Y'ALL GET THE MESSICH?!

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    Directly? Or should we just quote every post you've made in rebuttal when someone is criticizing any aspect of the Titans??
     
  2. Deuce Wayne

    Deuce Wayne NOW Y'ALL GET THE MESSICH?!

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    Give up. lol It's not going to work. Gunny would argue that a 2003 lexus with transmission problems can't be upgraded by a smooth running 2004 toyota.
     
  3. Gunny

    Gunny Shoutbox Fuhrer

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    Oh so now it's Chris Brown AND Antowan Smith vs Eddie. Well you should have mentioned that 5 pages ago.

    Too bad Antowain Smith only played because Brown was injured. He was a back up that got a lot of time. He wasn't brought in to share carries.

    Directly, but since you can't.

    Chris Brown was a smooth running 2004 toyota...how many full games did Brown play in again? :rolleyes:
     
  4. Audioman

    Audioman Camp Fodder

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    CB 1 fumble lost every 55 carries
    EG 1 fumble lost every 312 carries
    That has to count for something.
     
  5. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    Let's see if you can answer this question again....

    You said they had strong stats. Are 22nd in offensive scoring, 21st in yds, 27th in passing yards strong stats? No, they are NOT!

    Your claim has been factually defeated.

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  6. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    Distorted thinking...not from me...

    Do you know how QB rating works? Chandler had a weak 17 TD's and a relatively small # of INT's. Why? Because Fisher wanted him to be safe with the ball - which - with a vet QB should result in a mid-80's rating. It looks nice, but he wasn't getting us into the endzone and he was the only one who could since we have no playmakers. So your 'Pro Bowl' QB certainly didn't play like one on the Titans...he played solidly. The FACT that a backup RB was his second leading reciever tells you they dumped the ball off a lot....which equals higher completion percentage, fewer TD's and INT's, and usually fewer points.

    Chandler was merely a solid QB for us...nothing more, nothing less (except he was a bit fragile). And frankly, he didn't have much talent to help him at the skill positions. If you had watched the team during this time, you would know all this.

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  7. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    Gloat...

    You seem to be missing the point as often as you're saying everyone else is missing yours...

    Brown was better for one season. Nobody could predict injury problems? Anyone who watched him play could. As a part time player he got dinged a lot...which should have told you he'd likely be injury prone as a starter. Furthermore, his running style (and Eddie's too) is conducive to being injured since he runs upright.

    Secondly, Fisher's not gonna start a rookie over a vet like Eddie George without seeing what he could do in games (running, catching, and blocking) and that's what we did in 2003. Remember, Brown had to learn the offense. Seeing as Brown took over in 2004...what's your problem?

    Exactly at what point did you decide Brown was better than Eddie? If you look at his stats, they aren't good either. He didn't break a 3.8ypc avg with more than 5 rushing attempts until week 16!!! And the next week he was back down to 3.7ypc...

    So did Fisher leave the better RB on the bench too long? No. And unless you can convince me that Brown as a rookie was as good a pass blocker as George was, you have no argument because the stats don't support that either RB was good. And if you factor in that 2003 was McNair's BEST YEAR throwing...in liu of any back rushing for decent yardage, having the better pass blocker was more important to the offense.

    And by the way, Brown got more carries at the end of the year...ostensibly because he knew the offense better. He had a lot of his carries the last 2 games...but more importantly, had 11 carries vs Baltimore (in which Eddie probably played his best game of the year). I think Brown would have gotten even more carries vs NE except...guess what...he got hurt.

    You wanna gripe about Lowry and Fuller not being given a chance over the pathetic LT...no problem (although you can't prove either is better). But in regards to EG...you don't have a case that the better player was left on the bench too long.

    And frankly, I think most coaches would have played it the same way...especially regarding Brown propensity for getting dinged up...which as a coach makes you think you want to limit his carries (maybe give him 10-15 touches when he knows the offense), not maxmize them (cuz he'll get hurt). The fact that Brown has only managed to stay healthy for 1 season out of 5 should tell you that Fisher was right.

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  8. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

    HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

    Give me a sec to regain my composure.....WHEW!

    Oh right...Skip Hicks. We had this discussion in 2002-2003 Tide. Skip Hicks was so good...what team signed him to a big contract after that? Where is Skip Hicks now?

    I guess those stats don't mean quite what you think they mean. Maybe you should write a letter to all the coaches and GM's that passed on such a 'great' player.

    First off, Hicks has exactly 1 season with over 100 carries (not 350 carries of a starter) and had a YPC of...............drum roll......................3.5 that year!!!

    Second, in his high YPC, he only had 56 carries for the Titans. So they aren't comparable. Furthermore, EG got the majority of his carries because Hicks is a backup RB and can't carry a full load. He couldn't have done it even if you wanted him to. Them's the facts...'expert!'
     
  9. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    Alex and Gloat...

    As I point out in a post above this one...this argument is not applicable to EG vs Brown.

    As for the rest...
    What is your proof that Fuller or Lowry are better at FS than LT? I'm the first one to have bashed Schwartz and LT infitnitum for horrible play and suggested they try Lowry, Fuller, Finiegan or even some guy walking down the street because it's hard to believe anyone could play worse. However, there is no compelling proof that Lowry or Fuller is better. You can imply that you think one is better, but you have nothing to backup your opinion.

    And the fact that LT is out of the league and Lowry, Fuller are backups is not much of a case. Fuller seems to be a solid Nickel Back so that's why he's on the roster. Lowry is more of a SS type rather than a FS type like LT...so I think they're apples and oranges.

    Unfortunately, I think the Titans thought LT had potential so they stuck with him hoping he'd turn it around (rather than playing Lowry/Fuller who might have been a little better but with no upside...and if only upgrade us from terrible to bad...they'd rather play the terrible guy because they think he has the potential to be good). That didn't work. The fact that we drafted a guy to play FS replacing LT should tell you how much confidence they have in Fuller/Lowry.

    Do I think Lowry and Fuller would have been better than LT? Yes.

    Can you, me, or anyone else prove it? No.

    Is this argument pointless? Yes.

    Gut
     
  10. Alex1939

    Alex1939 Space Invaders Champion

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    If you look back through this thread, or the other one, can't remember which, I was saying I don't think the Chris Brown vs. Eddie is a good example.

    And I'm with you on the bottom three rhetorical questions you asked. My biggest problem is that they didn't even try to replace LT. I mean, how bad does someone have to be to just SEE if the backup would be an UPGRADE?

    And the thing about bringing up that LT is out of the league, I mean it was just a year ago that we finally got rid of him. 1 year- and he is gone. And we could have him back for cheap to backup Griffin/Hope, but we aren't. Which seems to indicate to me, that the coaches don't think he's an UPGRADE at the safety position over the backups. It doesn't seem any coaches think that.
     
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